Monday, September 17, 2007

If a shoplifter runs ...

... the policy says we let them go. You read it here first.

Prompted by this post about Wal-Mart customers who jumped an off-duty police officer trying to detain a shoplifter (read the original story at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution) over at thewritingonthewal.net, I've been asked to weigh in on Wal-Mart's theft policies.

One of the only things I remember from my first few days of cashier training was the manager at the time telling us "if someone puts a gun to your head, give them the money. We can replace the money. We can't replace you. If a shoplifter runs, let them run. It is someone else's job to chase them."

Whose job is it? Well. OK. We used to have two positions for associates called "Loss Prevention." Two guys who wore regular clothes and walked around the store and snooped on people and watched cameras. The whole nine yards.

We used to get regular visits from the Regional Loss Prevention dude, who was six three and scary in his own right. He spoke at cashier meetings and turned out to be very friendly if you didn't have your fingers in the till. If you ever saw him when there wasn't a meeting scheduled, you knew someone was going out in steel bracelets.

Anyway
. Before the two Loss Prevention guys we had left, one of them gave me the scoop on their jobs. This is second-hand information, make of it what you will:

1. Wal-Mart Loss Prevention associates were only authorized to do "takedowns" with management approval. Otherwise, the thief was to be allowed to walk out of the store if all other security countermeasures (aggressive customer service, security tags, et. al.) failed
2. Wal-Mart carried insurance policies on each Loss Prevention Associate in the event they were injured in a takedown AND to pay for injuries to an alleged thief in the event of a takedown.

The "Loss Prevention" posts were "redefined" to become "Asset Protection." One in-store position was cut. The district Loss Prevention position job was left unfilled when the person in the post moved on.

All in-store Asset Protection posts became more about keeping an eye on internal spots for employees to steal than to stop shoplifters. For about 13 months, no one was actually in our store walking the sales floor checking for shoplifters - other than the overworked, underpaid and entirely-not-giving-a-flying-fudge associates. Which is how we hit $2.7M in shrink for 2006. Baby, baby, that ain't no lie. Bye, mer-chan-dise, bye!

So now we have someone protecting the assets, but not preventing the losses. This is how it works at the House of Wal.

Everyone, from Management down to Loss Prevention/Asset Protection, has one thing to say about regular associates wanting to "help out" and tackle a suspected shoplifter. "DON'T DO IT." By all means, go up to them, talk to them, offer to help them, give some aggressive customer service, but DO NOT CHASE OR TACKLE THEM IF THEY RUN, FIGHT OR PUT UP A STRUGGLE.

Nobody ever said anything official, but word was that Wal-Mart's bean counters felt that the cost of paying insurance policies on two associates to do loss prevention, plus pay out in the event they injured someone or got injured, plus the obligatory "Wal-Mart Loss Prevention hurt my back lawsuits," plus their salary and benefits was just too much.

Too much compared to what? Compared to the cost of writing off the shrink and excusing it on the corporate balance sheet as a valid cost of doing business. So there's no real money lost - because it has already been accounted for.

Let's see. One way involves paying salary, benefits, insurance and potentially lawyers and lawsuits. The other just involves a bit more paperwork (and work for the Claims associates) on top of the shrink that was already happening.

And really the bean counters said, every Wal-Mart associate is supposed to always be on the lookout to prevent shoplifters by providing such aggressive, excellent customer service.

Uh-huh. Remind that to the woman in Fabric who caught a woman slitting open DVDs with a box-cutter. When she confronted her, the woman held out the box-cutter and said "Whachu you gonna do b****?"

About six months ago, we finally got another Asset Protection person, and policy changed yet again to have the Asset Protection spend at least a nominal amount of time on the sales floor.

But no one is to tackle a shoplifter. Not Asset Protection. Not management. Not Buddha. Not Jesus. Not Kali. Not Shiva. Not Brigham Young. Not Steve Young. Not Cthulu (although it may be moot if he is in the game). NO ONE.

So, really, I'm not shocked that no one jumped in to help the cop.

Actually, I'm not shocked the customers joined in. If our ghetto-trash customers saw a brawl with a cop, they'd probably jump to help out whoever was getting arrested too!

87 comments:

Anonymous said...

The whole "no takedown" thing could very well be one of those policies that no one really knows, or that changes from region to region, as I've seen a few people dropped on their heads by the LP people at my store.

Anonymous said...

Old news concludes here. A must read.

http://www.retailworker.com/node/16756?page=22

Anonymous said...

If I had been that cop, someone would have gotten shot. PERIOD it's called assault on a police officer, and self defense.

Jessica said...

Self defense only applies on the same level you are being attacked. You can't shoot someone for kicking your ass. You can only kick their ass worse.

j-yo said...

I can understand Wal-Mart not allowing their regular store employees to chase down shoplifters. Most businesses have that same policy to avoid physical harm coming to their employees. What I don't get is why Wal-Mart doesn't spend more money on security. Does anyone other than meth-heads shop there?

Lilith Parker said...

When I worked at Best Buy (years ago), the LP policy was much more severe. We had at least two LP guys at the door on every shift, and they were encouraged to stop customers who had large bags or puffy coats to be sure that said customers didn't have anything hidden. They also checked the contents of shopping bags against receipts to make sure you were only walking out with stuff you paid for.

If a shoplifter had a deadly weapon, we were to let them go and call the cops. Otherwise, the employee who saw the crime in progress would call a "code blue" over the loudspeaker, the LP guys would stand in front of the door and any available employees would surround the shoplifter.

That was what they taught us, anyway. I didn't work there long enough to ever see the policy in action.

(Love your blog!)

FARfetched said...

IANAL, but at the moment she confronted her, the woman held out the box-cutter and said "Whachu you gonna do b****?" I think shoplifting became armed robbery. That's when you get cameras rolling (if they aren't already) and call the cops.

DolfanDad said...

IN all fairness walmarts LP policy seems like the better business move. Think of how much it could cost them for all that insurance, lawsuits, etc. Compare that to the shrink every year they budget for. I understand why they do it. Luckily most of the trash who work there might not understand that. But in my mind it seems if someone's morals were low enough, they could use wal-mart as the house of free stuff!! Which many already do as evident by the five finger friday posts.

Anonymous said...

Seems everywhere WalMart is ghetto follows. I do live in a very affluent area, though I live in the lower middle class section, not in the gated community inside a gated community where a horse is worth more than the avarage shopping mall, ahem, and the WalMart here (across the street from a gated community with million dollar homes) I will not go to alone even during the day. Night time no way even with an armed gaurd in an armored vehicle. It has nothing to do with skin color because the thugs are from all nationalities. It's a shame people have lost their sense of decency, restraint, honor etc.

Anonymous said...

The first line doesn't make any sense. When you said "who jumped an off-duty copy trying" did you mean "who jumped in as an off-duty cop was trying"?

Anonymous said...

I read your entire posting, then I realized what you were trying to say in your first line. Sorry for my confusion in the last remark.

I'd still change "who jumped an off-duty copy trying" to "who jumped an off-duty cop as he was trying" though.

Ribeye of your Dreams said...

I've chased people down who tried to walk out on their bills, and when I worked for dollar general I chased crackheads through the parking lot. To hell with the rules, I'm not getting stuff stolen from me on my shift.

Ribeye of your Dreams

Boringscreenname said...

Wal-Mart's policy is pretty damn close to Target's policy. When I worked there, we were told if we saw anyone shop lifting to let them leave,and if they demanded money hand it over. The weird thing is we had an Assets Prevention dude, in full uniform, badge, handcuffs and the whole 9 yards but I never saw him do anything other than sit around looking bored. Now working as a Security Guard the only real authority I have is to call the police and write an incident report.

Anonymous said...

I am a Walmart Asset Protection and I will be the first to tell you we still apprehend, we still "takedown" shoplifters. The only big change is there are fewer of us. roughly 2 to 3 per store instead of 5 or more when it was Loss Prevention

Anonymous said...

I am a walmart asset protection associate, and yes, we do "takedowns," if you resist after we identify ourselves and ask you politely to step aside. Should you continue to resist, we employ "reasonable force" to subdue you, and if you still wanna be an ass about it, I'll just cuff ya. We walk the floor, and we see you when you think no one sees you :)

Anonymous said...

I am an AP in the Tulsa area and we don't " take down" shoplifters if they resist we " redirrect" them usually to the floor with a fist or spear tackel but it is always redirrection. lol Lesson is if you don't steal you don't get a spear tackel

Tom said...

I'm an APA and work in Central Florida, rotating between four stores. All of them are in bad parts of town and we bust people every single day, all day long. Last year we apprehended almost 500 people. I LOVE when people think we can't touch them or whatever BS rumers are going around. I will get in your face, grab you by the arm, and ID myself. You choose to go willingly, I will simply escort you to my office, maintaining a tight grip on your upper arm and wrist. If you want to be a jack-ass and run or fight me, you get that ass beat. NO ONE, not one single person has EVER got away from myself or my parter that has resisted or tried to run. We don't even give anyone a chance to run, because we are up in your face and in front of you, before you have any clue as to what is going on. My partner and myself are over 500lbs combined and have both wrestled/MMA for many years. Don't believe these BS rumors that you can steal from us and get away with it. We NEVER let people go for stealing from us. You will loose, I promise.

Anubiss said...

I'm glad to see alot of APA's representing themselves here... I'm an APA in a high crime area in upstate New York and its good to see that i'm not the only APA who sticks it to all of the thugs and ORC's we come across. Good hunting to you all - go ruin somebody's day!!!

Anonymous said...

Hey Hey! APA in Colorado here - Amen to my AP brothers and sisters. Wal-Mart has one thing on ANYONE with ill intent. ORGANIZATION. Let em think we can't take em down. WE GOT SYSTEMS IN PLACE BABY! The surprise is ALWAYS the best. Keep in mind, in a store that makes over a million a week, someone is watching you ALL THE TIME. It's funny to see all these people's "methods" that we see and BUST FIVE TIMES A DAY. Good luck, thieves - You got slim chances.

Anonymous said...

Hey Hey shoplifter here. Seems like you guys suck where I live. We get alot out of the store weekly. So for you guys thinking you're the shit, think again boys. You guys are so retarded. hahaha you make me laugh.

Anonymous said...

hahahahaha yup this guy is right i steal shit all the time and i see these fat over weight think their "BUFF" guys walking around trying to catch me bitch im right in front of u hahahahahahah these asswholes make me laugh u know what i think imma go steal something right now just to piss u mothefuckers off jajajajaj
and by the way im an LP too HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous said...

I am a Wal-Mart APA and i'll tell you that most of the stuff mentioned isn't true and that doesn't only run in my store but it runs in my market! If someone goes to fight me I take them down and if someone goes to run I get them because resisting is one of the criteria that will get you prosecuted quick fast and in a hurry!

NightShade said...

I personally witnessed a shoplifter being apprehended by a Wal-marts loss prevention member. The shoplifter was a middle aged lady and the loss prevention member looked to be in his 30's. He kind of reminded me of a bar room bouncer with his head shaved and all. The alleged shoplifter went with him willingly and complied to everything he asked but he seemed to get a rush off of being rude, nasty and physically manhandling her - going as far as fondling her breast in front of others including myself. I wash shocked and sickened at his actions. What kind of people do Wal-marts employ for these kind of positions? He was definately not professional acting and truthfully, just as the lady should be charged with shoplifting - I can name several things he should be charged with plus somebody needs to take him out and give him a good old fashioned ass whipping. She was wrong - but he was just as wrong....maybe more because he was filthy with his actions and they were not necessary. I choose not to shop at Wal-marts after being exposed to this.

Anonymous said...

Well I can say that Store 3525 in Puyallup Washington went hands off no hand restraints and then they hit a record shrink of 2.6 MIL and what did they do blamed it on the APC and the APAs and cleaned house. Not to mention the stupidity of getting rid of the locking game case and leaving other high dollar items unlocked. On another note its kind of hard to do your job as AP when your store is constantly paging Andy in Photo please call .. or Andy in Photo please come to HBA..WTF a photo associate going to a non-photo area lets watch for someone that is talking to an associate that knows the lay out of the store now and we will know who the AP guy/gal is. Come on Wall-mart pull your head out of your ass. and stop firing your AP's that are busting there ass to do their job and please stop firing people until you investigate the report that you got from another AP about an AP trying to get the AP that reported it to write a false report, I mean come on he says that to try and save his job when he knows he is under investigation for time theft and internal theft and helping his friends steal.

Anonymous said...

I know its not on this subject but, I just got signed of yesterday, and sure enough I did a badd stop. I didn't see them select the item but I saw them conceal igt, I followed them and stop them come to find out they r under 15 and wouldn't produce the items. So I let them go cause they were to young and I can't call the cops will they fire me???

Anonymous said...

APA store 0947 and 0158 in TX here. I always do everything I can do to convince them to come willingly. However, if that fails I go hands-on. I also enjoy the look of surprise when I grab a good hold on a shoplifter who thinks I'm not allowed to touch them. I never cuss, degrade, threaten, or harass a suspect as that is just plain unprofessional. I am the epitome of polite, both before and after I use my "reasonable force to limit the movements of a shoplifting suspect." Basically I'm an easy going guy who gets along with almost everyone. I actually have friends that the first time we met I redirected them face first into the pavement.

Anonymous said...

Walfarts ap's are a complete joke. I'm a professional thief who has been living off walfart for about 20 years. Yes believe it I bought 2 houses a boat and many other things from the fruits of brain dead wana be cops aka walfart ap. Ha! Maybe if you guy's had half a brain you wouldn't be chasing people around a store for 10 bucks an hour! Get a life you fuckin idiots!

Anonymous said...

Yea walmart is a joke.. Me and my friend stole some stuff the other day and when the ap faggots tried to stop us at the doors we ran. They chased us and 1 guy thought he was bad until I stuck a .40 in his face. The little bitch let go real quick fuckin pussy.. They better watch who they grab on or they're liable to wind up face first on the ground for good...

Anonymous said...

To the last guy, you're also liable to end up in jail for life if you pull that trigger, is it worth it? As an walmart ap if you pull a gun on me yeah ill let you go...that's what the cameras are for, it's not worth getting killed to take you down when I have you on camera for armed robbery.

Oh and if I ever saw you outside of walmart premises, I would Insure that your gun your mouth and your legs never worked properly again.

Anonymous said...

You LP guys are always talking so tough on here. It's actually sad. You were obviously bullied as a kid or as an adult could never earn anyone's respect. And you know you could never hack it as a cop. So, you resort to talking tough about how you'll put someones "face in the pavement." And how about this idiot LP on here who posted bragging about his MMA skills. Are you kidding me? If you LP's had any real guts you'd be stealing too, instead of settling for such ridiculous pay. And no, I'm not a shoplifter, but after reading these lame-ass LP toughguy posts I'm now cheering for the shoplifters.

Anonymous said...

Amen, brother! These Loss Prevention guys talk like they're Navy SEALS. Even ol' Chuck Norris trembles at the thought of a "hands-on takedown." Lol

Anonymous said...

"Look at Me! I'm an asset protection specialist and I just did a hands on takedown on a 18-yr-old chic stealing lipstick from my Walmart! I'm so badass! I told her to come with me, or there'd be trouble. I showed her who's the boss! I'm so badass! No wonder walmarts paying me all this BIG MONEY!" ..... Hahahaha! You LP's may be the biggest dorks since mall security and sign holders outside of restaurants

Anonymous said...

"I'm an LP drunk on POWER! Oh yeah! I can actually touch your elbow if I need to. Fear my lethal force! I took a karate class at the local strip mall, and I have a pair of cuffs (my girlfriend won't let me use them on her). I'll detain you if I must! I'll peep around corners and spy on you! I love action movies because they remind me of my awesome job! Which actor would play ME if they made this into a movie. Maybe Van Damme if he wasn't so old. He was awesome in Bloodsport. I'm awesome too. Code Blue! Code Blue! Holy shit! Somebody's stuffing a ribeye steak up their skirt! Now's my time to shine"

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Anonymous said...

Ok to all you little punk thiefs that is if you really are theifs or if your just trying to look like a fucking idiot. I'm a eight year military police vet who served in afghanistan so if you wanna crack on lp's or ap's then crack on me for doing the job i wish i caught you in the store stealing you can act as bad and is tough as you want and i wish you would pull your your little punk ass gun out I've been shot at and mortored so if you think your as bad as you make urself sound just know this just because they work as an lp or ap doesnt mean they have never seen worse shit than what you punk mutherf****** can ever do!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

OMG are these kids really going on about pulling a .40 on a wal mart employee.. hahaha my fucking god ive heard it all. such hard ass gangsters.. truth be told the kid who said that has prolly never shot a gun much less know how to use it

Anonymous said...

Recently Caught:
I was caught shoplifting after hella times and I cooperated but see the little guy had more to say than the big guy he said if you run my partner will put his hand on u so i went and he was cussin n actin bad ass and called the cops....i just caught them at the bar a month after....they did not get home for a week let's just leave it at that... so much for thinking ur a bad ass I do MMA and i can shoot u mother fucker

Anonymous said...

shoplifter here!! ive been rippin off walmarts for quite a while now. im not getting into specifics but i have been very successful. Walmart APs or whatever they are called are EASY to spot. You just need to be suspicious of all "customers" around you, dont get greedy, be confident, and know the state laws. Also with so many walmarts around its easy to rip one off and not return for several months. good luck everybody!

Anonymous said...

You shop lifters are pathetic. Get a job and buy shit like normal people!! And to the AP's I'm thankful for what you do because for what you are able to stop makes prices stay lower at least.. And for that I'm thankful. I don't think you should be bragging about shoving people's faces into pavement because I know your not supposed to have the right to do that. If they right you or run I was told by an AP manager that you are to let them go. The next part is to deal with the cameras not get Walmart sued because you thought you would play the tough guy and tackle the big bad shoplifter.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone been fired for missing unconcealment? Anyway, all I got to say to all the shoplifters commenting is that "everyone eventually gets caught, and there is a whole jail house full of um that thought they woulnt" so make my job easier, keep coming back, bigger and badder so I can nail your ass, you will eventually slip up

Anonymous said...

True I did get caught as I mentioned earlier but had that guy not been a asshole I would not have taken my revenge and put them both in the hospital so be nice Mr. Asset Protection

Anonymous said...

I don't condone stealing, and the big black guys with yellow shirts at my Walmart are chill with me, but I think getting shot for minimum wage stupid. Getting stabbed because you "take down" someone stealing a $20 DVD? It's just like armored car guards, it's not your money, it's not worth dying over.

I don't care if you and your partner weigh 500lbs, a 230 grain JHP will put both of you out, and do you think Walmart is going to take care of your family. Shit even a 125gr 9mm

Anonymous said...

By the way, Walmart takes insurance policies out on their regular employees. So when they die, Walmart gets paid and the dead person's family gets nothing. I'd think about that if I were you. It's not your money, you don't get to keep it of you catch the shop lifter. What do you get? It's no coincidence that most AP and LP people you see at walmart are lacking in the IQ area and not lacking in the LB area. They don't care if you die, and it's not the end of the world if some asshole steals a $300 TV. Your life, I hope, is worth more than $300. Cause people get shot all the time, for $60 or less.

Anonymous said...

Im 28 year old single mother and full time college student. If you were to see me walking into a walmart guaranteed you would notice me however the fact that I am going to be acquiring between $600-$800 worth of merchandise upon my departue from the store would be the very last thought to enter your mind. However please do not miscontrue this as bragging this is a fact that I most certainly not proud of and most definitly do not want to teach my two children. Its wrong and I have no means of justifying it in any way for it is a cowardly and lazy act on my part and does not excuse my actions. Now with that aside I have an extreme distaste for walmart and its policies along with its extreme mistreatment of its employees (once again not justyfing my wrong doings merely stating my OPINION) I find asset protection most definitly a necessary commodity for any business but believe walmarts to be a joke. Those that are AP whom are proud of "taking down ghetto scum" and brag about how you will and have beaten people down who try to resist need to remember no matter how you slice it your authority in walmart is basically the equivalence of that of the 16 year old cashier in the speedy check out lane. Your not a cop your a walmart employee reality check yourself quick before one day some shoplifter does it for you. And for those bragging about shoplifting grow up its sad and pathetic how someone could be proud of stealing it takes nothing to steal but someone who breaks their back day in and day out to provide for their family has my admiration and are the ones i most revere. And whats their to brag about? The $50 of stuff you shoved down your pants? I have gotten both local walmarts for $50,000 cash (no I have never held up a store they give it willingly trust me) and I can tell you right now that im pathetic and need to set a better example as a mother and its just sad. But I am writting to say that I vow to never do these things from this day on because I realize that my future with my family is much more important that I am better than all that and hopefully you will realize that your worth more too.

Anonymous said...

Pay for something?WHY BOTHER.anyone with any experience knows there are ways to %$#&*&*^^%&. and do it with ease usually with a little help from the staff

David S said...

I have stolen and also been a LP. I have been caught and also gotten away with it. I am also ex Special Forces and do alot of stuff just to get the rush agian. Now am I proud of stealing no, most stuff I take back anyways a few days later and leave somewhere in the store. To all the LP faags, you may blind side me with a spear tackle but when I turno over you better hope to god there are 5 or more of you cause im going to put you in a choke hold or rape choke and your not going to get out of it. I fought Iraqi's hand to hand to the death and I am still here. Your not going to win, and sometimes I black out when I rage and cant stop my self. So is it better to live another day or lose your life over some dumb 40 bucks that the company would write off or just make another sale to get back? No it isnt, I would say just do your job and just turn people into the cops. and also if you try and be big bad loser with a dumb job I will put you in your place and make sure you remember it! Im not saying im the biggest guy in the world but I was trained to kill and trained very well. With 2 wars going on for over 10 years each you never know who has been trained to fight or kill and there are a few who enjoy doing so. Also most vets would get away with hurting or killing as we can claim PTSD and didnt hear you say anything to us. Just saying

Little lady said...

Ok so my question is I was walkin out the door and 2 people stopped me I began to run out the door which was about 10 feet and they both attacked me and took me down to the ground ! Is this legal ?? Can I fight this in court they physically attacked me when all they had to do was let me walk out they had all the merchandise that I was tryin to steal so I could have left instead of being assaulted and arrested! I just need the legal aspect on this situation I have court Thursday !!!!

Anonymous said...

Well I think all of our friendly meth-heads are magnificent entrepreneurs who bring way more money then you do!!!!

Anonymous said...

Re.. Little lady....

I too am curious too your question. I recently walked towards the garden center picking up a plant. Basket full. The alarm goes off. They ask for reciept i tell them i have not payd. The plant was my last item. They tell me to follow. I do. They lead me to an office. Were a big dike grabs my arms & says were is your reciept. I tell them i have not checked out. She grabs me shoves me in the office. I pull away & shove back. Saying wth is your problem what did i do. They are yelling saying sit down. I stand & say you have no right to touch me. They replay o ya i do. This whole time. I am being physically attacked as well. Fighting back. They never say much but try to restrain me. Giving me no explanation for there physical forceful behavior. After nearly 10 minutes of fighting.a manager shows up. Seeing them pulling my hair and letting them touch me and pin me to the wall. She does nothing. Im yelling..saying wtf is goin on and why the hell do they think they can touch me. Nothing is said or proclaimed. Finally i had enough & fight.shove. Push my way out. & because i was in so much rage. I ran out & took off. Days later i get a detective calling me to turn myself in & for the basket i left behind i am being charged wth theft. I have court in march. I too am wanting to fight this. Tho i too dont know the proper steps. Thought id let you know you are not alone.

Anonymous said...

ill just continue to carry my taser brand device, if you touch me i'll touch you lighty you will fall, i will walk away, i wont have the probes in that way its by contact anyways, everyone goes down from a real taser from now on one hand in the pocket ill get you, dog eat dog and all that shit, i might get caught later for assault, but i aint going nowere with no one i dont want to be around, plus have you heard how loud a real taser is? with the laser and light, and that loud popping, terrifying if pointed at you for the first time, plus best part is, non lethal, i carry my .45
but i dont go into a place with ill intent, it's all about de-escalation, and tasers just work best for said situation

Anonymous said...

I wear a badge my friend and i will garentee you or your partner ever attempted this on me i would not be the one goin anywhere but you would be unemployed cripple my friend

Anonymous said...

ACTUALLY. Since he was off-duty, the fact that he was a police officer is irrelevant. If he had shot anyone, how would have lost his job, and probably been arrested.

Anonymous said...

Walmart is a trashy place to work in regards to how the associates are treated, let alone looked upon. However, the employees are generally not trashy people at all. I hated Walmart and still do, but having had worked for them for nearly a year, i learned not to look down on any of the employees as they are regular people struggling to meet their financial needs.

Anonymous said...

I got caught shoplifting in walmart one girl blocked me in regular clothes blocked me then 2seconds later more men (5) In regular clothes tackled me and nowmy my 2 front teeth are somewhere on the pavement can I fight this in court

Anonymous said...

That was on your mind 4:30am get a life dude or some pussy or some viagra, really

Anonymous said...

Wow did you go to university of dollar general man crackheads have stolen from you huh, think before posting you sound really stupid dude ITS NOT YOUR SHIT hahaha

Anonymous said...

A very close friend of mine is getting a lawsuit against walmart she stole an item that was 20 bucks not over 25 and slammed her face into the pavement and her two front teeth are gone is that something to brag about well it doesn't matter to her because ppl like you make ppl like her live comfortably for a long time.

Anonymous said...

I am sure he beats his girlfriend and hide from her male relatives

Anonymous said...

What! Walmart is dirt cheap if they go any lower on prices the taxes would cost more than what you are paying for LMAO

Anonymous said...

You are so funny they are sooo creepy what a laugh I got off on that one

Anonymous said...

Wow man I see this guy really got to you ok take a breather dude wow ok why get all worked up man you are walmart security don't be an idiot you went through all that to end up at walmart dirty ass walmart Okkkkkk minimum wage you should have taken that to the white house man unless you're just really old.

Anonymous said...

You are a fucking idiot Tom...really rent a cop loser, get a real job big man....and yes dear ir is illegal to touch anyone, have u been to law school, oh wait you are a security guard, there is my answer to a stupid question.

Anonymous said...

False! As an American citizen he STILL has the right to shoot in self-defense. ;)

Anonymous said...

You obviously don't understand how taxes work.

Anonymous said...

By Florida state law any one working in asset protection/ lose prevention has every right by law to use any amount of force necessary to detain a suspected shop lifter until law enforcement arrives. With that being said if your not 100% that the suspect of interest has stolen merchandise, and they don't have any thing that's a bad stop, which opens the company that asset protection/ loss prevention associate works for to law suits.

Mary Booth said...

How is it that a loss prevention can forcefully grab a female outside of the store b.c the thought i was shoplifting..when i had 2 guys forcefully grab my shoulder and cause me to have a shoulder injury being a 110lb female when 2 guys came running out the door..i would consider that assult or battery.

Anonymous said...

Not accurate. You may use the minimum level of force available to you that will result in an end to the threat on your person. If you are incapable of "kicking their ass worse" it is within your legal right to use a weapon.

Anonymous said...

I think its wrong for u LP assholes to physically put your hands on a women in the wrong or not!! Who tf r u CEO of got damn Walmart!!!

Jason Turner said...

Sounds like a real dumb fuck who took Hus shitty job way to serious. Its not likeanything that was being stolen was cocoming out of his pocket. And I'm not a thief but if I ever had to and I had to get away from a "hero" I sure wouldn't hesitate to send him back with his tail tucked

Jason Turner said...

Lmao a tough guy loss prevention prick I'm not a thief but you can bet your bottom dollar if it came down to it and I had to take something to feed my family or something you or you mma tough guy buddy would meet your match and if you both felt the need to try to rough me up to prevent me from leaving you'd get everything you were looking for and more

Jason Turner said...

Lmao I love it.... I hate those tough guy wanna bes that think its OK to put their hands on a shoplifter to stop them then they wonder why they get shot or stabbed... Lol stop trying to be captain save a hoe

Anonymous said...

I honestly didn't think LP had the right to put hands on you unless they were off duty or retired law enforcement. Well I was wrong. But they had a huge surprise. I live in Florida and have been doing a little scam lately not proud of it and have gotten away with it at least 20 times. Today I went to a Wal-Mart I've never went to and tried again making sure I was in the blind spot most Wal-Mart's have. (Shoe department) I can almost guarantee they didn't see me conceal anything but had a good feeling I did because I no longer had items on me. Anyway I go to walk out the door and this big beefy motherfucker flashes some card and said you're coming with me and grabs my upper arm and squeezed as hard as he could. Now I'm not big by any means nor am I small I'm 6"1 175lbs he had at least 100lbs on me. Well I tried pulling away and was saying get your fuckin hands off me it's not worth it get the fuck off me. When I noticed that wasn't gonna happen I blacked out and started fighting like crazy and he tries using 2 hands and then another guy comes over grabs my other arm saying cops are already on their way and a lady was on her phone. Well I'm sorry I wasn't going out like that so I trip the smaller guy over my leg twist the bigger guys arm and put it in a standing arm bar, pushed him and took the fuck off. My adrenaline was though the roof. Not proud of it. But a damn good story. So fyi yes they can put their hands on you so anyone out there please have a gameplan to get away if need be. Peace

Anonymous said...

I have been doing loss prevention for Walmart now for over one year. My two partners and I are very polite and understanding when we go and do an apprehension. We've had are runners and people who just plain ignore us. But for the most part we are able to talk them back in. I've never felt the need to put my hands on a person. They'll eventually be back. call the cops as soon as they walk in and do an apprehension with the sheriff's department along side you. See if they run then or put there hands on you.

Anonymous said...

Shut the fuck up goon squad shit head. Fake me out police

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Anonymous said...

well all I have to say about all of this, I know someone who was shoplifting, made a purchase then went over and was looking at items as you come in the door and two wal mart employees grabbed her kids which on of the children ran out of the store while one of the employees grab the woman and started punching her in her side. tell me that isn't messed up.....

anynomious said...

wow these morons on here acting all bad because they rob stores wow who gives a fuck

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Unknown said...

One time I stole these badass ear plugs, cause my 44 is really hard on the ear drums, and yeah a dip shit thought he could tackle me, I fucked him up in front of everyone, then outran a cop, so fuck you

Anonymous said...

You will realize real quick you are not a part of a organization if I blow a tennis ball sized hole in your ribcage. Schofield, untraceable

Anonymous said...

I'm in no way a gangster, I make it on my own, all I know is I ain't going to jail and I ain't playing societies game, if a dumbass is going to try to stop me from stealing and I don't feel like a jog I'm pulling my gun and if I use it, disappeared I am, I'll live in the woods bitches!!!

Anonymous said...

I've grabbed a hammer from the tool section used it to break that jewelry glass case, and stole a shit ton of jewelry, wasn't worth as much as I was expecting, but it paid a bill or two

Anonymous said...

Check this one I came out of a store a very well known store and see someone runing out while I drive by the side of the store I see the same guy that ran out on the floor pin down by two men they were using extreme force to hold him down the man look hopeless I approach them and told them to leave him alone and I got tackle down and punch on the face by this store worker and lost prevention so the guy got away left runing and came back shot two round to the air and the workers left me alone so i feared my life and i ran but since then my back been bothering me

1badmf said...

your so full of shit